Planning a trip to Patagonia….
It seems that this blog has slowly become my platform for
sharing tips, tricks and things you should know before you take a
vacation. This blog post won’t
disappoint if that’s what you’re looking for.
Marc and I just returned from a two week trip to Chile – Patagonia and
Santiago and I’ll give you a brief overview
of what we did, include what I would/wouldn’t do again plus info you
should know before you go.
We were up for some nature and so when our friends invited
us to hike in Patagonia, it only took a few quick Google image to have us say “yes
please!” Then came the logistics – when,
how long, which route, which travel company – oh, the joys of travel. Our logistics: go in the spring/early summer
so it’s a bit drier, warmer and there would be lovely flowers. We picked a
modified eight-day circuit of Torres del Paine to “see it all” and get away
from some of the W crowds (the “W” is the abbreviated or highlights hike of
Torres del Paine – oddly, it’s not where our highlights were). Finally, we picked Swoop Patagonia (a UK
travel company), who picked Dittmar (a Chilean company run by expats), who
contracted local guides and porters in the area. We made some good decisions
and some bad ones, so you can definitely learn from our experiences.
We did some research and me being me, I made a bunch of
spreadsheets outlining which travel companies went where, daily distance/hours,
cost and what was included/excluded. Tip
#1 – it’s pretty hard to compare apples to apples based on the info online. Even trading emails with travel agents won’t get you apples to apples, it's only by laying out day by day agendas/distances/hours as well as total cost and details
of what it includes/excludes you can actually see what pieces each company offers and
get a fair comparison. It's a very worthwhile pain in the butt if you’re using any sort of travel
company, especially if the cost matters to you.
This is our long awaited trip outline (thanks for the details! Spoiler alert, nearly all of the distances were incorrect)
Day 0 – Transfer in Santiago to the bottom of Chile (Punta Arenas) and then took a bus to Puerto Natales. Rented some gear and then met our
guide and a representative from Dittmar at our hotel, Big Bang Patagonia for pre-trip briefing. We receive a detailed outline of day 1 and high level outline of the rest of the trip. There was some confusion about the porters we hired and the weight they would carry – did
it include or exclude the sleeping bags and sleeping pads we rented from Swoop/Dittmar.
Final answer after much discussion (which started prior to our arrival for the record): Porters will carry 7.5kg of each person’s gear, exclusive of
sleeping bag and pad. Good news, because
7.5kg isn’t a whole lot for one week.


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Camp Japones.... ummmm? |
No joke terrain |
Oggioni Pass - crazy windy AND cold -- brrrrrrr! |
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but you get the idea |
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Not the Oggioni Pass thicket |
When we arrived at refugio Dickson we were so pleased to not
be hiking anymore and get to have a shower.
We were shown to our group room with bunk beds. It was heaven to sit and
take off our boots. We showered, played
cards and had an excellent dinner. The lodge
was warm which was a welcome change from the night chill. Unfortunately, the structure of the refugio
meant that the top of our room was shared with the dining area, kitchen and
other social areas so our friends found it pretty noisy and hard to sleep. I
turned on a white noise app and slept like a log.
Day 2 Hiking distance: 8.66 miles over 7:39 active hours (8:46 hours elapsed time).

Day 3 – The stress of the prior day meant that I slept amazingly
for ~11 hours. Day three was meant to be
a much more relaxed day in terms of terrain, distance and hours. We walked on a path which reminded me how much
I love strolling through a giant forest with a great path so you don’t have to
look down the whole time. The path was
flat and clear, so we could enjoy the views.
We were speedy and finished almost 8 miles in just over 4 hours (the map/Dittmar showed 5.4m). Arriving at Perros Camp we noticed more people than the prior two nights, but it still didn’t feel overly busy. It was really buggy though so we retreated to the river bank for some relaxation in the sun. The river provided fresh lovely water to drink and dip our feet into. I found a lovely spot covered in some mossy ground cover and had a lovely nap – it was a glorious day. We had dinner at the camp and then played some cards by the river. As the sun went behind a mountain the temp dropped sharply and we headed to bed.
Day 3 Hiking distance: 7.72 miles over 4:13 active hours (5:05 hours elapsed time).
We were speedy and finished almost 8 miles in just over 4 hours (the map/Dittmar showed 5.4m). Arriving at Perros Camp we noticed more people than the prior two nights, but it still didn’t feel overly busy. It was really buggy though so we retreated to the river bank for some relaxation in the sun. The river provided fresh lovely water to drink and dip our feet into. I found a lovely spot covered in some mossy ground cover and had a lovely nap – it was a glorious day. We had dinner at the camp and then played some cards by the river. As the sun went behind a mountain the temp dropped sharply and we headed to bed.
Day 3 Hiking distance: 7.72 miles over 4:13 active hours (5:05 hours elapsed time).
Day 4 – Waking in
the camp meant it was chilly. We had a long day of walking – 22km (13.76m) projected
so we rose early to get a start on it.
Perros camp had a proper shelter for eating, cooking and hanging out, so
we enjoyed the shelter and planned for our day.
We had a new guide, Francisco, as our initial guide had a family
emergency. Francisco was very
experienced and immediately impressed us by taking charge the night before as
Gabo departed. Breakfast was decent and
we headed along the most beautiful stretch of our hike – the northern to
western segment of the circuit.
Despite
the distance, the terrain was good for the most part and it was a rewarding
hike. The weather was good and in the
morning we crossed the John Gardner Pass.
Our guide was very concerned about the weather on the pass, but we were
extremely lucky and with good weather, the Pass wasn’t difficult at all. Apparently the storms can pop up out of nowhere
and can be very dangerous. We passed Glacier
los Perros and Glacier Olguin just getting to see gorgeous Lago Grey before
arriving at refugio Grey which was wonderful.
Warm beds welcomed us with endless hot water (Marc ran out of hot water at Dickson so we all took the quickest showers we could). We washed out a few items and went to dinner at the rustic eating area. It wasn’t 22km (17.8m) but we did hike 10.6m in 9.6 hours which was a long day. We slept well and enjoyed the use of a pillow which is quite the camping luxury!
Day 4 Hiking distance: 10.63 miles over 9:09 active hours (9:51 hours elapsed time).
Warm beds welcomed us with endless hot water (Marc ran out of hot water at Dickson so we all took the quickest showers we could). We washed out a few items and went to dinner at the rustic eating area. It wasn’t 22km (17.8m) but we did hike 10.6m in 9.6 hours which was a long day. We slept well and enjoyed the use of a pillow which is quite the camping luxury!
Day 4 Hiking distance: 10.63 miles over 9:09 active hours (9:51 hours elapsed time).
Day 5 – Another terrific night of sleep at Grey found us in great
spirits. We headed down for 8:30
breakfast but were a bit disappointed with the lack of protein and amount of
food provided. This day was medium in
length and trekked along Lago Grey for most of the day which was pretty but not
as varied as the day before. The goal was Campamiento Italiano but we needed to
stop at Refugio Paine to resupply. Our
guide gave us the choice of camping there for the night or pushing on.
We decided to push on as there were only 2.5 hours to the campsite and we’d been hiking for only 3 hours. The day was scheduled to be 11.5m which is a good distance, and actually correct for once – it took us about 5.75 hours in total (it was nice terrain!). The following day would include the French Valley and then end at Cuernos which would be a 7 hour day. Our guide seemed disappointed we wanted to press on and we needed an extra porter to make the trip to Italiano with us. We reached Italiano and it was a zoo of people. We were fully into the W by this point and the campsite was crazy overcrowded. The small shelter area for cooking was mobbed with people. The bathroom situation at Italiano was also unfortunate and overcrowded. The was the first time along the trek that I felt the park was being used as a ‘money maker’ and it seemed like people didn’t care about the experience that was being provided. It was a bit unfortunate, but we brushed it off.
Day 5 Hiking distance: 11.6 miles over 5:47 active hours (7:07 hours elapsed time).
We decided to push on as there were only 2.5 hours to the campsite and we’d been hiking for only 3 hours. The day was scheduled to be 11.5m which is a good distance, and actually correct for once – it took us about 5.75 hours in total (it was nice terrain!). The following day would include the French Valley and then end at Cuernos which would be a 7 hour day. Our guide seemed disappointed we wanted to press on and we needed an extra porter to make the trip to Italiano with us. We reached Italiano and it was a zoo of people. We were fully into the W by this point and the campsite was crazy overcrowded. The small shelter area for cooking was mobbed with people. The bathroom situation at Italiano was also unfortunate and overcrowded. The was the first time along the trek that I felt the park was being used as a ‘money maker’ and it seemed like people didn’t care about the experience that was being provided. It was a bit unfortunate, but we brushed it off.
Day 5 Hiking distance: 11.6 miles over 5:47 active hours (7:07 hours elapsed time).
Day 6 Hiking distance: 6.0 miles over 4:49 active hours (6:07 hours elapsed time).


Day 7 Hiking distance: 7.17 miles over 3:38 active hours (3:55 hours elapsed time).
As soon as we got cell service, I called the Swoop
‘emergency number’ and was greeted by a generic answering service. I explained the situation and the operator
tried without success to connect me with someone. After ~10 minutes I lost service again. Around 30 minutes later, I had service again
and called Swoop and was told by the same operator that she was finally able to
reach someone. I was connected with Sally Dodge of
Swoop and she told me they knew about our kayak trip getting cancelled since
Thursday and they’d been trying to reach us or come up with alternative plans
for us. This was pretty shocking news.
Francisco wasn’t sure what to do with us, so we went to
Kayak en Patagonia where our kayak trip had been booked. Cristian, our kayak guide was extremely
nervous as he’d expected to hear from us much earlier than 6:45pm when we
finally arrived back in town. He told us
that he’d been trying to reach us since Thursday as it was possible to move up
our kayak trip to be Saturday if we could walk faster and complete our hike on
Friday night instead of Saturday morning.
It seemed reasonable to me, but I couldn’t understand why we hadn’t been
given the option. It turned out that Dittmar
had chosen not to try to get in touch with us because kayaking wasn’t their
responsibility (minus 1,000 points for non-existent customer service). In the end, kayaking was cancelled and we
booked a different larger boat to travel to the glaciers which would be better
able to handle the wind.
The downside was not kayaking, but the upside was showers,
beds and shelter from the insane winds the next two days. Not a great trade.
Total Hiking distance: 100kms or 60 miles. It's crazy to think you can drive 60 mph and it took us a week to walk that though the terrain was the key part of the challenge.
Miscellaneous tips:
Total Hiking distance: 100kms or 60 miles. It's crazy to think you can drive 60 mph and it took us a week to walk that though the terrain was the key part of the challenge.
Miscellaneous tips:
- It takes a full day to get to the bottom of South America from NYC, and could be even longer from other places (someone from San Diego flew through NYC!) Make sure to take this travel time into account so you have a long enough vacation.
- All the tour companies contract with local guides and porters – honestly, I’d suggest cutting out the middle man and just going directly to the local guides, many of which own their own companies.
- Get into good shape prior to going. While most of the terrain isn’t tough, it’s several hours of hiking/walking each day. There were a few days my knees felt creaky. I recommend hiking and if not hiking then treadmill and stair climber – don’t just go for quick walks and think you’ll be fine. The better shape you’re in, the more you’ll enjoy your trip.
- Figure out what you’re going to rent vs buy beforehand. While we rented gear on Kili no problem, apparently this isn’t nearly as easy to do in Patagonia. When we set out to find trekking poles, gaiters and waterproof pants, the lady working at Base Camp / Erratic Rock said, “it’s probably cheaper to buy poles than to rent them for a week” – this was a horrifying discovery. Thankfully we went to the next place - Yagen House and they had two pairs of gaiters, two pairs of poles and a few pairs of waterproof pants. It wasn’t nearly as cheap as Kili rentals, but it was cheaper than buying them.
- Bring a roll of toilet paper. While I thought the “fully supported trek” meant this would be included, it’s apparently not.
- It never hurts to have a few granola bars. If you have no food you’re at the mercy of the company you picked. It makes me feel comforted knowing I have food if the days sandwich is gross or dinner is much later than expected. We packed one per person per day and we did eat a few over the course of the week. Also the granola bars provided with lunch had zero protein and weren’t filling at all (Marc calls them candy instead of granola bars, you know the ones).
- An external battery is a smart choice. I'm a Garmin watch wearer and my watch needed to be recharged daily. While there was electricity in the refugios (leave your stuff plugged in at your own risk though) the campsites didn't have anywhere to plug in. Your phone won't have service, so airplane mode will help you save that battery,
- Bring shower stuff – you can shower and you’ll definitely want flip flops or other shower shoes as it gets grimy in these very busy places. Pack an ultra-light travel towel that folds up to be a few ounces and you’ll be enjoying warm showers with the best of them.
- According to Dittmar and numerous locals, Swoop isn’t local and therefore “doesn’t know what’s going on locally” and sometimes they “make promises that the local guides or Dittmar can’t keep.” Having people undercutting each other and blaming each other when anything goes wrong was pretty unprofessional, but we also realized there was some truth to what everyone was saying. Swoop didn’t have control of the situation.
- Pre-trip planning – we were never able to get a full breakout of costs from Swoop [specifically Harriet Pike and Luke Etherington]. After lots of discussion (see tip #1 above) our trip was quoted at over USD $3.2k each which is significantly higher than the prices advertised on the website. When inquiring, Swoop noted that there had been significant devaluation of the Chilean Peso causing prices to increase. They then offered a small discount of USD $200 each to get us closer to the website prices. I looked up inflation in Chile as well as the Peso movement and couldn’t find anything to support these claims, so I responded to Swoop that 1) we were paying in USD and 2) I couldn’t find any evidence of their claims and again asked for a cost breakout. Swoop responded quite exasperatedly saying that they didn’t have the time to spend on our trip or our many questions (though much of what they provided on the internet was incorrect and we had really only had a handful of emails). At this point I would have pulled the plug, but my friends who were taking a longer trip to include hiking in Argentina still wanted to proceed. Against my better judgment, I agreed. We let Swoop know we’d be proceeding and they did apologize for not being professional.
- Once we were all paid up my friends repeatedly asked for the detailed daily itinerary, but had to wait weeks for it (see criticism bullet #1, they were at the mercy of Dittmar who was still contracting guides and porters. In fact, two of our porters only arrived in the country the week prior to our hike and were contracted a few days before we left – great prior planning! When we got it I was surprised by the lack of detail and inconsistencies (e.g. notes to bring refugio vouchers but then not providing those vouchers as the guides handle them, or different schedules showing different meeting places, or instructions to go to Dittmar’s offices for bus tickets which they didn’t have – the documents made it feel like this was their first rodeo – not a comforting thought).
- Swoop told us they believed there would be a satellite phone on the trip. There was not. Dittmar told us they only have two satellite phones and both were in use during our trip, otherwise we would have had one. This didn’t seem like a legitimate reason given you can rent these phones fairly inexpensively and several of the guides have their own for rent as part of the package they provide.
- We opted to have individual porters for an additional cost of USD $80 per person per day – they would carry 7.5 kilos of each person’s gear. A simple question of “does this include our sleeping bag / sleeping mat or tent?” ended up being the equivalent of a final question on Jeopardy – very difficult and got different answers. This included our briefing the night before our trip when we were trying to finalize what to take – we were actually told, no, your 7.5kg is only your own stuff, the sleeping bag is separate. Guess what the porters told us in the morning? The 7.5kg must include your sleeping bag and sleeping mat. This gave us all minor panic attack as we waited to weigh our belongings. Would we have to jettison some fancy hiking gear or tie things to our day packs? Thankfully no, but this was unnecessarily stressful.
- We were told it’s no problem to have a vegetarian on our trip. In practice, this was not true. Protein was only provided via meat – no quinoa, beans, tofu, etc. was provided. One meal had some lentils, but they were not prepared for a veggie lover.
Specific criticisms of Dittmar (I will share any responses
from them here as well):
- Travel or camping 101 – have a tried and true packing list – use it and double check it every time. Our supplies didn’t include soap or a sponge. The first night we had chicken which was raw and put in the bowls that we later ate out of. The entire trip was just rinsing our dishes instead of actually washing them. It was a bit gross – potential disastrous oversight #1.
- It may have been forgotten or just not included, but our tents didn’t have the section that goes underneath and keeps the tent dry from rain. It was fortunate that it hardly rained on our trip, but this could have been disastrous oversight #2.
- The Dittmar offices were disorderly and disgusting. There was a sink with dishes piled so high there would be absolutely no way to actually wash them. There were rooms of gear that wasn’t folded or orderly, but in haphazard piles. A food stockpile in the corner contained spilled over into several large fruits that had been cut open and were just sitting there with a few flies (by the way, the office was closed and one person was there doing paperwork). Basically, it was a home with a chaotic collection of camping things and a white board detailing the ongoing trips – no wonder we were missing things!
- Same criticism above for Swoop on the vegetarian meals.
- In our “feedback discussion” with Laura McAfoos (co-owner of Dittmar with husband David Dittmar) we were told that ideally each group gets a satellite phone, but Dittmar only has two of these phones and they were in use by other groups. Terrific. Should we get a discount for that?
- Dittmar wasn’t in enough communication with Swoop – the question on sleeping bags included/excluded in the 7.5kg of weight was never asked of Dittmar and was answered incorrectly by Julie of Dittmar at our 10pm pre-leave briefing. In feedback discussion with Laura McAfoos we provided this feedback and were told “I don’t deal much with personal porters.” Terrific, you’re customers do.
- During the same feedback discussion, we asked what the reason was that we didn’t receive the option to complete our hike earlier and go kayaking a day earlier. Laura responded “The kayak trip is after the hike so it’s not my responsibility. My responsibility was the hike so I don’t know why people were contacting me about kayaking. I told them I don’t know anything about the kayak trip and I wasn’t the person to contact.” This was pretty upsetting and we calmly responded, “while we were on the hike, only you and the Dittmar team knew how to contact us – we were under your care with guides and porters you hired – by not being responsive to Cristian about kayaking or even letting him know who our guides were (as Chino knew Cristian well) we weren’t given the opportunity to kayak which was unbelievably disappointing.” She shrugged. Our disbelief was the only thing that helped us stay calm.
- The only area of “fault” Laura would accept was forgetting to book the transfer, which was something she was personally responsible for – the rest she shrugged off. She told us she paid for the ride back to town – I asked how much and she told us $125 USD. A breakout she showed us charged us $50 each or $200 USD for our original transfer, so I suggested she refund us the $75 USD. She looked at me, shocked that I would suggest such a thing – “you want me to refund you the difference?” she asked wide-eyed, “yes, I think that’s what’s fair here since you charged us $200 and it came to $125 plus 4 hours of waiting.” “Ok” she said quietly. It was odd.
Wrap-up Thoughts
- This blog entry might come across as critical (I am). I really enjoyed our time in Patagonia. Do I wish we did certain things differently? Yes, I do. Would I recommend Patagonia to others? Yes, I have, would and will recommend it. It was really beautiful and a good experience. By having a good idea of what you’re getting into and having a good tour company/guide, I think this is a great adventure and definitely one worth having.
Happy to discuss your thoughts or questions on this trip!!
Thanks for reading,
Liz